Episode 30: Tanya Plibersek discusses <em>Upturn: A Better Normal After Covid-19</em>, the thought-provoking new anthology she has just edited

Inspired by the lack of selfishness she witnessed as we dealt with COVID-19, Tanya Plibersek MP, formerly Deputy Leader of the Labor Party, decided to start a public conversation about how we could rebuild after COVID-19 in a way that makes life better for everyone. She called on experts in education, indigenous affairs, business, science and many other disciplines to contribute to her new anthology, Upturn: A Better Normal After COVID-19 , which she discusses here with Nicole.